. >> i know you met the president and you met hillary clinton. when they had this service. >> that is, correct. at andrew's air force base when the bodies were flown in. >> sean: you said the president couldn't look you in the eye and it was like shaking hands with a dead fish. >> that's exactly right. >> sean: and so you felt he couldn't look you in the eye and that basically he felt no empathy and you said the same thing pretty much about hillary clinton? >> right. what happened was he came through there kind of after everyone else had been in the room circulating and he came over and shook my hand, you know, i wanted to do more than just shake his hand so i kind of put my arm around his shoulder to have just a little bit of physical warmth, not a major hug but just a small one and he kind of -- it wasn't in a powerful voice it was more of just a whiney little voice i'm sorry. i could tell my his voice he wasn't even sorry. it would be like a little kid that is told by the teacher to go apologize to johnny out on the play ground and when looked